Randall Q. Lawrence
End-Time Warriors—Spring 2012
Dr. Eva
3/6/2012
Midterm: Are you an End-Time Warrior?
Yes!!! Absolutely!!! I have had a number of experiences in my life that have pointed to this calling. These events (prophetic dreams, prophetic blessings, and more) highlighted the War between God and satan, Jesus and the devil, Light and darkness.
For far too long in my life, I have allowed the devil and demons to “push my buttons”, lead me around, undermine my ministry and witness for Christ, break my heart, confuse my thinking and understanding, lead me into sin and temptation and more. I really did not have a clue about spiritual warfare until coming to Missouri in 2007, and I really did not understand it properly or have the proper examples/mentors until beginning my education with Faith Bible College and Ebony & Ivory Ministries.
I had a prophetic dream after asking the Lord as a teenager what to do with my life. He gave me 2 dreams in one night. The dreams dealt with deliverance ministry in using the Name of Jesus in spiritual warfare (Philip. 2:9-11) and in becoming vulnerable (trusting of God) and in dealing with the devil/demons having known me and in having been allowed to “work me over” for most of my life.
I also had a prophetic blessing which spoke about (demonic) “warriors working” to pull me from God, but I chose God. (“A battle between the forces of the universe has been waging and you have overcome that battle. You have chosen to follow the Lord Jesus though the [demonic] warriors have been valiant in trying to tear you from that decision. You must recognize that, yes, there is a great war going on in the hearts of the people. You have seen through the deceptions of the great deceiver…”—2003 Evangelist Blessing).
The above experiences and more have pointed to the need for training in spiritual warfare and how little I have known and walked in my past. I’ve only begun to get a handle on the mighty weapons of our warfare to pull down strongholds of the enemy (2 Cor. 10:4), destroy the works of the devil (thief, destroyer) in the Name and Blood of Christ (1 John 3:8), and to get myself and others free of demonic and worldly influence (Gal. 5:13). I praise God for what I’ve learned through Ebony & Ivory Ministries and through Faith Bible College-my training ground, my covering, my mentors and teachers, my learning and greater anointed walk/adventure. This is definitely the time for End-Time Warriors of Jesus Christ to rise, prepare and fight!
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Revelation Current Endtime Events Book Report
Randall Q. Lawrence
Faith Bible College
Revelation Current Endtime Events
Dr. E.
12/7 or 14/2010
Finals Assignment: Book Report—Journal of the Unknown Prophet (Legacy to a renegade generation) by Wendy Alec
This prophetic book by Wendy Alec was published in 2002. I read it awhile back, but I know that it deals with the end-times so I decided to read it again. It is composed of 7 volumes: One-Mercy, Two-The Endtime Ministry, Three-The Church of the Last Age, Four-Judgement (Note: Wendy Alec is English so thus the different spelling), Five-Babylon, Six-The Father, Seven-Last Day’s Assignments Against the Elect. Volume 6 on “The Father” really spoke to me a number of years ago, but the whole book spoke to me in a deeper and more understandable way now. I will attempt to deal with each volume to a certain extent then I will deal with my overall impression of the book.
Like John accompanied by an angel for Revelation, the author is accompanied by Jesus Christ while shown these various prophetic visions and having these various prophetic/Spirit-ual encounters. The first volume (section) on mercy is almost like the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) and new set of beatitudes with chapters focused on everything from “those passed over” to “those on the point of giving up” (other chapters include “…wronged”, weary, “ensnared in sin”, “….desperate”, “…in…grief”, “abandoned”, depressed, “betrayed”, “…misjudged”, “friends”, “….forsaken”, “bound in a homosexual lifestyle). These chapters include “the desert place” and “run to Me” and “My healing touch”. One quote that matches well with Dr. Nick’s messages on seeking the Healer and not the healing is this one:
“For you see, beloved, you do not need faith in miracles, you need faith in the One who works the miracles. You see, beloved, you do not need faith in healing, you need faith in the One who heals. You need faith in the One who spoke the Word—in the One who IS the Word made flesh.” (p. 53)
Volume 2 focuses on Endtime Ministry especially the 5-fold ministry of Evangelists, Teachers, Pastors, Prophets, Apostles (Ephesians 4:11). It also includes “Intercessors”, “Pastors/Elders/Home Cell Leaders-Great Joining”, and “Stadium Evangelism”. This section describes it as the “last great call to fight in the Epic Battle of the Ages” (p. 75) The chapters challenge those with these callings to a deeper commitment, a deeper relationship with Jesus, the Spirit, and Abba Father, and a greater anointing than ever before. Let me share an interesting comment—“And My intercessors shall join with My prophets and become a mighty and fearsome army.” (p. 102) When it speaks about the stadium evangelism, “But surely I tell you that in the last great outpouring, the stadiums that you see shall be crammed from one city to the next…..no advertising will be needed…stadiums shall be crammed to overflowing in every city across every nation.” (p. 107)
Volume 3 deals with the church of the last age. It has sections on preparing for a time of suffering, the prerequisites to healings, miracles, and power, and the harvest. It also has special chapters on certain end-time nations: China, Arab nations, Germany, and Israel (“Intro”, “My Beloved-the Father Speaks”, “Betrayal by Her Allies”). This is how it begins: “For up until now, it has been an easy thing to walk in the West as a follower of Mine….How I weep for you, My beloved Church, for I tell you, there is none, not one, who is truly equipped for the day that will come upon you.” (p. 119) Over and over, ministers and teachers and more are implored to teach and prepare for what is coming for “…all that is temporal shall in a day perish.” (p. 121)
“And then My glorious Church shall rise. Oh yes THEN shall My glorious Church rise. For surely I came for a Church more glorious than My first Church. I came for a Church where each man and woman and son and daughter laid their life down for the proclamation of My Gospel. Where the cost is counted and embraced that My name might be glorified, that all may be one, that to suffer for My sake is the pearl of great price, that My Gospel may be preached to all nations. That is My glorious Church. That is My spotless Bride, that shall rise at the end of the age.” (p. 122)
The prerequisite for healings, miracles, and power in the end times will be to seek Jesus and Him alone, seek His presence and not His miracles, seek Him in worship. On these that He can trust then He will pour out His Spirit in abundance. For the end-time harvest, this book calls for greater degree of holiness, separation, and consecration. It speaks of the earth being “…covered with My glory and the glory of My Gospel…” (p. 129).
The book goes on to speak about endtime nations—China, Arab nations, Germany, and Israel. Prophecy is given of a very short season for a mighty move of God in China even with the government, but then the worst kind of persecution will rise up in response. The book gives prophecy about visitations of Jesus and His Church arising in a powerful way among Arab nations especially with Egypt which protected Jesus as a baby (Matthew 2:13-15). The book has 3 chapters on the role of Israel with the warning—“For truly I tell you that to disregard the cause of Israel and her people is to disregard the cause of the Most Holy Father Himself”. (p. 147) It goes on to describe how they will recognize Jesus as their Messiah and Lord and Savior—“Him that thou pierced” (p. 151,??) Germany will have a divine mandate to stand by Israel—satan twisted this calling into the Holocaust of the Jews by Nazi Germany. It finishes by speaking how Israel will be betrayed by her allies. (Note: The United States of America is conspicuously absent from this list of end-time nations.)
Volume 4 is focused on “Judgement” (English spelling)—“My Father’s House-A Place of Whoredoms”, “…Against Shepherds”, “….Leaders”, “Those with Crooked Tongues”, “The Word-An Idol in Men’s Hearts”, “…Those Who Serve Mammon”, and “The Spirit of Treachery”. It is a warning to focus on the Jesus and ministering to the people rather than on money-making, power, a building. It is about the accountability of ministers, leaders, and congregations in the Western church. The shepherds and their hearts will be weighed and judged—are you truly feeding and tending the sheep with right intent?!? There is a challenge to the generals (church leaders), challenge to watch your speech (criticism, gossip, backbiting), warning about the Bible having become an idol-“…embraced the Book of the Lord and have neglected the Lord of the Book.” (p. 183) There is also warning about pride, building and neglecting the poor and missionaries, and being too worldly. The final “judgement” is on treachery and betrayal—brother vs. brother, minister vs. minister, and considering status above the mission of the church—to the meek, lowly, humble, poor, etc.—betrayal of message of Christ.
Volume 5 focuses on “Babylon”—“…disobedient sons of men in this renegade generation” (p. 199)—Media, Politicians, World’s Trading Systems, False Secular Church. After the “judgements” (on the above) then there is an appeal from Jesus to the politicians, lawyers, media moguls, business executives, and all who have forgotten. The Media is castigated as having become “propagators of death and of violence, of destruction, of moral decay, and of every evil known to mankind” (p. 206) and feeding persons rebellion, lawlessness, and blasphemy. Politicians and leaders are judged on blood of fetuses crying out (abortions) and removing of faith in God and prayer from schools. It speaks that “…the trading systems of the great nations shall, even in a matter of a forty-eight-hour period, collapse.” (p. 213). There is judgment on a False Secular Church that has focused on power and influence and trades in substance, arms, violence, murder, extortion, and innocent lives. There is a final appeal and longing of Jesus to the world leaders in “Babylon”—world system.
Volume 6 is my personal favorite “The Father”—“Beyond the Veil”, “The Son’s Yearning for the Father Revealed”, “The Voice of the Father”, “The Vision”, and “Journey into Heaven”. The vision starts with the author walking beside Jesus in Heaven on the way to the Father. The connection and love between Father and Son are shown in the focus and Love of Jesus for His Abba Father. The throne room of Heaven is described as immense with millions if not billions of personages/angels—“so great a cloud of witnesses…” (Hebrews 12:1) The author describes herself as not particularly worthy, dirty, mired in sin, battered and bruised in the battle. The Almighty Father is very much like the Father in the Prodigal Son story (Luke 15) with a focus and incredible, infinite, “beyond words” Love and then embrace for the author in the midst of Heaven and the Almighty’s Throne Room and in the midst of “the witnesses”—
“…I felt him lift me and draw me to Himself and my face was buried in His embrace and it seemed like I was drowning in His all-consuming love for me. And He held—it felt like for all eternity—and again He whispered my name and I felt His tears fall onto my hands and onto my hair.
And still I clung to Him. And still He held me. And Heaven waited…” (pp. 249-250)
This section brings tears to my eyes with how it demonstrates the All-encompassing Love of the Almighty Father, Creator of Heaven and earth, and His love for His children.
Volume 7, the final section, covers the “Last Days Assignments Against the Elect”—“Unleashing of the Endtime Seducing Spirits”, “The Falling Away”, “Pride and Self-Righteousness”, “Discouragement and Strong Delusion”, “Seduction, Lust, & Jezebel”. Jesus speaks with the author as the veil is taken away to show satan’s strategy of using his evil and dark principalities and powers to target the “champions of God and Jesus”. This is lucifer’s end-time strategy—outpouring of evil and darkness directed at the “champions of God and Christ” in 3 parts: first, lust of flesh and lust of eyes—area of morality—seduce My children away from the Father; two, pride—of life, pride & self-righteousness—stronghold of Jezebel; three, discouragementstrong delusion and The Great Blinding (p. 262). (This matches with what Dr. Nick shared about a pastor’s conference with secret sin of “pornography” for both male and female pastors.) Jesus warns about the danger of activity over intimate fellowship and relationship. When the author asks about overcoming, then Jesus speaks about repentance and maintaining first love for Me (p. 279, Revelation 2:4), keeping yourself from idols and fervent in the Spirit, and finally the cross—“..take up the cross daily and die to everything in their souls and their minds which opposes My truth….continual daily crucifying of their flesh…” (pp. 279-280)—
“…when you feel that hell is sucking you in—it is then that you must cry out to Me. Cry out to My Father. Cry out Our Name, and in that very second, We will come to you and rescue you. We will draw you in and protect you from every wile of the evil one [‘evil one’ not capitalized by me]…” (pp. 280-281)
(Note: The book finishes with index of Scripture references. I counted 62.)
Faith Bible College
Revelation Current Endtime Events
Dr. E.
12/7 or 14/2010
Finals Assignment: Book Report—Journal of the Unknown Prophet (Legacy to a renegade generation) by Wendy Alec
This prophetic book by Wendy Alec was published in 2002. I read it awhile back, but I know that it deals with the end-times so I decided to read it again. It is composed of 7 volumes: One-Mercy, Two-The Endtime Ministry, Three-The Church of the Last Age, Four-Judgement (Note: Wendy Alec is English so thus the different spelling), Five-Babylon, Six-The Father, Seven-Last Day’s Assignments Against the Elect. Volume 6 on “The Father” really spoke to me a number of years ago, but the whole book spoke to me in a deeper and more understandable way now. I will attempt to deal with each volume to a certain extent then I will deal with my overall impression of the book.
Like John accompanied by an angel for Revelation, the author is accompanied by Jesus Christ while shown these various prophetic visions and having these various prophetic/Spirit-ual encounters. The first volume (section) on mercy is almost like the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) and new set of beatitudes with chapters focused on everything from “those passed over” to “those on the point of giving up” (other chapters include “…wronged”, weary, “ensnared in sin”, “….desperate”, “…in…grief”, “abandoned”, depressed, “betrayed”, “…misjudged”, “friends”, “….forsaken”, “bound in a homosexual lifestyle). These chapters include “the desert place” and “run to Me” and “My healing touch”. One quote that matches well with Dr. Nick’s messages on seeking the Healer and not the healing is this one:
“For you see, beloved, you do not need faith in miracles, you need faith in the One who works the miracles. You see, beloved, you do not need faith in healing, you need faith in the One who heals. You need faith in the One who spoke the Word—in the One who IS the Word made flesh.” (p. 53)
Volume 2 focuses on Endtime Ministry especially the 5-fold ministry of Evangelists, Teachers, Pastors, Prophets, Apostles (Ephesians 4:11). It also includes “Intercessors”, “Pastors/Elders/Home Cell Leaders-Great Joining”, and “Stadium Evangelism”. This section describes it as the “last great call to fight in the Epic Battle of the Ages” (p. 75) The chapters challenge those with these callings to a deeper commitment, a deeper relationship with Jesus, the Spirit, and Abba Father, and a greater anointing than ever before. Let me share an interesting comment—“And My intercessors shall join with My prophets and become a mighty and fearsome army.” (p. 102) When it speaks about the stadium evangelism, “But surely I tell you that in the last great outpouring, the stadiums that you see shall be crammed from one city to the next…..no advertising will be needed…stadiums shall be crammed to overflowing in every city across every nation.” (p. 107)
Volume 3 deals with the church of the last age. It has sections on preparing for a time of suffering, the prerequisites to healings, miracles, and power, and the harvest. It also has special chapters on certain end-time nations: China, Arab nations, Germany, and Israel (“Intro”, “My Beloved-the Father Speaks”, “Betrayal by Her Allies”). This is how it begins: “For up until now, it has been an easy thing to walk in the West as a follower of Mine….How I weep for you, My beloved Church, for I tell you, there is none, not one, who is truly equipped for the day that will come upon you.” (p. 119) Over and over, ministers and teachers and more are implored to teach and prepare for what is coming for “…all that is temporal shall in a day perish.” (p. 121)
“And then My glorious Church shall rise. Oh yes THEN shall My glorious Church rise. For surely I came for a Church more glorious than My first Church. I came for a Church where each man and woman and son and daughter laid their life down for the proclamation of My Gospel. Where the cost is counted and embraced that My name might be glorified, that all may be one, that to suffer for My sake is the pearl of great price, that My Gospel may be preached to all nations. That is My glorious Church. That is My spotless Bride, that shall rise at the end of the age.” (p. 122)
The prerequisite for healings, miracles, and power in the end times will be to seek Jesus and Him alone, seek His presence and not His miracles, seek Him in worship. On these that He can trust then He will pour out His Spirit in abundance. For the end-time harvest, this book calls for greater degree of holiness, separation, and consecration. It speaks of the earth being “…covered with My glory and the glory of My Gospel…” (p. 129).
The book goes on to speak about endtime nations—China, Arab nations, Germany, and Israel. Prophecy is given of a very short season for a mighty move of God in China even with the government, but then the worst kind of persecution will rise up in response. The book gives prophecy about visitations of Jesus and His Church arising in a powerful way among Arab nations especially with Egypt which protected Jesus as a baby (Matthew 2:13-15). The book has 3 chapters on the role of Israel with the warning—“For truly I tell you that to disregard the cause of Israel and her people is to disregard the cause of the Most Holy Father Himself”. (p. 147) It goes on to describe how they will recognize Jesus as their Messiah and Lord and Savior—“Him that thou pierced” (p. 151,??) Germany will have a divine mandate to stand by Israel—satan twisted this calling into the Holocaust of the Jews by Nazi Germany. It finishes by speaking how Israel will be betrayed by her allies. (Note: The United States of America is conspicuously absent from this list of end-time nations.)
Volume 4 is focused on “Judgement” (English spelling)—“My Father’s House-A Place of Whoredoms”, “…Against Shepherds”, “….Leaders”, “Those with Crooked Tongues”, “The Word-An Idol in Men’s Hearts”, “…Those Who Serve Mammon”, and “The Spirit of Treachery”. It is a warning to focus on the Jesus and ministering to the people rather than on money-making, power, a building. It is about the accountability of ministers, leaders, and congregations in the Western church. The shepherds and their hearts will be weighed and judged—are you truly feeding and tending the sheep with right intent?!? There is a challenge to the generals (church leaders), challenge to watch your speech (criticism, gossip, backbiting), warning about the Bible having become an idol-“…embraced the Book of the Lord and have neglected the Lord of the Book.” (p. 183) There is also warning about pride, building and neglecting the poor and missionaries, and being too worldly. The final “judgement” is on treachery and betrayal—brother vs. brother, minister vs. minister, and considering status above the mission of the church—to the meek, lowly, humble, poor, etc.—betrayal of message of Christ.
Volume 5 focuses on “Babylon”—“…disobedient sons of men in this renegade generation” (p. 199)—Media, Politicians, World’s Trading Systems, False Secular Church. After the “judgements” (on the above) then there is an appeal from Jesus to the politicians, lawyers, media moguls, business executives, and all who have forgotten. The Media is castigated as having become “propagators of death and of violence, of destruction, of moral decay, and of every evil known to mankind” (p. 206) and feeding persons rebellion, lawlessness, and blasphemy. Politicians and leaders are judged on blood of fetuses crying out (abortions) and removing of faith in God and prayer from schools. It speaks that “…the trading systems of the great nations shall, even in a matter of a forty-eight-hour period, collapse.” (p. 213). There is judgment on a False Secular Church that has focused on power and influence and trades in substance, arms, violence, murder, extortion, and innocent lives. There is a final appeal and longing of Jesus to the world leaders in “Babylon”—world system.
Volume 6 is my personal favorite “The Father”—“Beyond the Veil”, “The Son’s Yearning for the Father Revealed”, “The Voice of the Father”, “The Vision”, and “Journey into Heaven”. The vision starts with the author walking beside Jesus in Heaven on the way to the Father. The connection and love between Father and Son are shown in the focus and Love of Jesus for His Abba Father. The throne room of Heaven is described as immense with millions if not billions of personages/angels—“so great a cloud of witnesses…” (Hebrews 12:1) The author describes herself as not particularly worthy, dirty, mired in sin, battered and bruised in the battle. The Almighty Father is very much like the Father in the Prodigal Son story (Luke 15) with a focus and incredible, infinite, “beyond words” Love and then embrace for the author in the midst of Heaven and the Almighty’s Throne Room and in the midst of “the witnesses”—
“…I felt him lift me and draw me to Himself and my face was buried in His embrace and it seemed like I was drowning in His all-consuming love for me. And He held—it felt like for all eternity—and again He whispered my name and I felt His tears fall onto my hands and onto my hair.
And still I clung to Him. And still He held me. And Heaven waited…” (pp. 249-250)
This section brings tears to my eyes with how it demonstrates the All-encompassing Love of the Almighty Father, Creator of Heaven and earth, and His love for His children.
Volume 7, the final section, covers the “Last Days Assignments Against the Elect”—“Unleashing of the Endtime Seducing Spirits”, “The Falling Away”, “Pride and Self-Righteousness”, “Discouragement and Strong Delusion”, “Seduction, Lust, & Jezebel”. Jesus speaks with the author as the veil is taken away to show satan’s strategy of using his evil and dark principalities and powers to target the “champions of God and Jesus”. This is lucifer’s end-time strategy—outpouring of evil and darkness directed at the “champions of God and Christ” in 3 parts: first, lust of flesh and lust of eyes—area of morality—seduce My children away from the Father; two, pride—of life, pride & self-righteousness—stronghold of Jezebel; three, discouragementstrong delusion and The Great Blinding (p. 262). (This matches with what Dr. Nick shared about a pastor’s conference with secret sin of “pornography” for both male and female pastors.) Jesus warns about the danger of activity over intimate fellowship and relationship. When the author asks about overcoming, then Jesus speaks about repentance and maintaining first love for Me (p. 279, Revelation 2:4), keeping yourself from idols and fervent in the Spirit, and finally the cross—“..take up the cross daily and die to everything in their souls and their minds which opposes My truth….continual daily crucifying of their flesh…” (pp. 279-280)—
“…when you feel that hell is sucking you in—it is then that you must cry out to Me. Cry out to My Father. Cry out Our Name, and in that very second, We will come to you and rescue you. We will draw you in and protect you from every wile of the evil one [‘evil one’ not capitalized by me]…” (pp. 280-281)
(Note: The book finishes with index of Scripture references. I counted 62.)
Thursday, December 16, 2010
Why I do not believe in a Pre-tribulation Rapture:
Why I do NOT believe in a Pre-tribulation Rapture:
One, my first reason against a pre-tribulation rapture is a common sense type argument. If we favor a mid-tribulation rapture or post-tribulation rapture, then we must be ready for anything and everything and in relationship with God. It is easy to think that we get to avoid any trials and tribulation with a pre-tribulation rapture belief—we get to miss all the real serious stuff—“want to be on the first boat out”. With a mid-tribulation or post-tribulation belief, then one must be ready. If a pre-tribulation believer is wrong, then they are caught unprepared for the tribulation and may lose faith. If a post-tribulation rapture believer is wrong, then they miss out on the bad stuff. I would rather be ready and miss it then not be ready and have to go through it.
Two, an overall view of Matthew 24 in relation to the “rapture passages” (“one will be taken, one will be left”) seems to trump any Thessalonians or Revelation passage for a number of reasons. “As in the days of Noah…” is a quote that Jesus uses. If we look at the story of Noah closely, we do not see an avoidance of trial and tribulation. Noah preached for 100 years and only was able to get his family (a remnant) saved, but they still had to endure persecution, criticism, and endure the Flood (tribulation) and get through to the other side (like the Millenium under God). It makes no sense for Jesus to give His followers all the explanations and warnings (in Matthew 24 and other places) when He could have just told them not to worry because none of them will have to go through it.
Three, Zion, ZION, Z-I-O-N….since I come from a tradition that believes not only in a Jerusalem in Israel as important for the last days, but also my tradition believes in a New Jerusalem in the U.S. (Independence, MO) as important to the end-times. Zion, as a Holy City dominated by Christ, is really almost an “anti-thesis” to the Rapture (when referencing Pre-tribulation Rapture, I will just use the term “Rapture”). Zion means that we are active participants in the plans of God while the Rapture would have us as spectators in this Last Great Battle as we are “caught up to Heaven” and the clouds and wait for the Second Coming of Christ. Rapture says God does it all while we watch; Zion says that God works with us to establish His dwelling-place(s) or tabernacles on earth. If the Book of Acts is a model for us as His church then it is in partnership with God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. If the beginning of the Church is a partnership, then surely the Church as Bride of the Lamb (End-times Church) must also be in the pattern of partnership—ZION! In my opinion, the story of Noah fits for Zion or New Jerusalem better than it does for Rapture.
Four, the timing of the Rapture theory with a vision by a young Scottish girl named Margaret McDonald and the propagation of this theory with Darby, Scofield (Study Bible) and others in relation to the timing of Book of Mormon which discusses New Jerusalem in the America’s or Promised Land. Both happened in 1830. They both cannot be prophetic because they are almost exact opposites. I readily admit that I am a Book of Mormon believer, but I am also a Bible believer (though I favor the Inspired Version Bible done by Joseph Smith, Jr.) In the 1830’s being a prophet was revolutionary and dangerous and hazardous considering the persecutions that Joseph Smith, Jr. endured. This concept of a prophet in leadership or a prophetic leader is not so revolutionary now (John Wimber, Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson, John & Carol Arnott, Heidi & Rolland Baker, and many more) Was JS, Jr. perfect? No. What prophet in the Bible is perfect other than Christ? (Moses, David, and Saul were all murderers or accomplices to murder.) Not one. Joseph Smith, Jr. did not waver and neither did the 11 witnesses to the Book of Mormon (Gold Plates). I do not know all that much about Margaret McDonald, but I know the Rapture theory plays into the desire of the Western Church to have security and safety over dealing with the calling of God to establish the Kingdom of God on earth.
Five,
One, my first reason against a pre-tribulation rapture is a common sense type argument. If we favor a mid-tribulation rapture or post-tribulation rapture, then we must be ready for anything and everything and in relationship with God. It is easy to think that we get to avoid any trials and tribulation with a pre-tribulation rapture belief—we get to miss all the real serious stuff—“want to be on the first boat out”. With a mid-tribulation or post-tribulation belief, then one must be ready. If a pre-tribulation believer is wrong, then they are caught unprepared for the tribulation and may lose faith. If a post-tribulation rapture believer is wrong, then they miss out on the bad stuff. I would rather be ready and miss it then not be ready and have to go through it.
Two, an overall view of Matthew 24 in relation to the “rapture passages” (“one will be taken, one will be left”) seems to trump any Thessalonians or Revelation passage for a number of reasons. “As in the days of Noah…” is a quote that Jesus uses. If we look at the story of Noah closely, we do not see an avoidance of trial and tribulation. Noah preached for 100 years and only was able to get his family (a remnant) saved, but they still had to endure persecution, criticism, and endure the Flood (tribulation) and get through to the other side (like the Millenium under God). It makes no sense for Jesus to give His followers all the explanations and warnings (in Matthew 24 and other places) when He could have just told them not to worry because none of them will have to go through it.
Three, Zion, ZION, Z-I-O-N….since I come from a tradition that believes not only in a Jerusalem in Israel as important for the last days, but also my tradition believes in a New Jerusalem in the U.S. (Independence, MO) as important to the end-times. Zion, as a Holy City dominated by Christ, is really almost an “anti-thesis” to the Rapture (when referencing Pre-tribulation Rapture, I will just use the term “Rapture”). Zion means that we are active participants in the plans of God while the Rapture would have us as spectators in this Last Great Battle as we are “caught up to Heaven” and the clouds and wait for the Second Coming of Christ. Rapture says God does it all while we watch; Zion says that God works with us to establish His dwelling-place(s) or tabernacles on earth. If the Book of Acts is a model for us as His church then it is in partnership with God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. If the beginning of the Church is a partnership, then surely the Church as Bride of the Lamb (End-times Church) must also be in the pattern of partnership—ZION! In my opinion, the story of Noah fits for Zion or New Jerusalem better than it does for Rapture.
Four, the timing of the Rapture theory with a vision by a young Scottish girl named Margaret McDonald and the propagation of this theory with Darby, Scofield (Study Bible) and others in relation to the timing of Book of Mormon which discusses New Jerusalem in the America’s or Promised Land. Both happened in 1830. They both cannot be prophetic because they are almost exact opposites. I readily admit that I am a Book of Mormon believer, but I am also a Bible believer (though I favor the Inspired Version Bible done by Joseph Smith, Jr.) In the 1830’s being a prophet was revolutionary and dangerous and hazardous considering the persecutions that Joseph Smith, Jr. endured. This concept of a prophet in leadership or a prophetic leader is not so revolutionary now (John Wimber, Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson, John & Carol Arnott, Heidi & Rolland Baker, and many more) Was JS, Jr. perfect? No. What prophet in the Bible is perfect other than Christ? (Moses, David, and Saul were all murderers or accomplices to murder.) Not one. Joseph Smith, Jr. did not waver and neither did the 11 witnesses to the Book of Mormon (Gold Plates). I do not know all that much about Margaret McDonald, but I know the Rapture theory plays into the desire of the Western Church to have security and safety over dealing with the calling of God to establish the Kingdom of God on earth.
Five,
Wednesday, December 23, 2009
Powerpoint presentation of Latter Days Dream Part 2
Slide 13: Third Storm: Square
Genesis 7:70 IV---”…gather out mine own elect from the four quarters of the earth…”
See references from all 3 books of Scriptures
Slide 14: Bible (Inspired Version) References
*Genesis 7:70 * (same as D & C 36:12f)-- “…gather mine elect from the four quarters of the earth…”
Isaiah 11:12—“…gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”
Jeremiah 9:26—“…all that are in the utmost corners…”
Jeremiah 25:23—“…in the utmost corners,…”
*Jeremiah 49:36—“…upon the Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven…”
Ezekiel 38:6—“…north quarters…”
*Matthew 24:28—“…eagles be gathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.”
*Mark 13:31—“So likewise, shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.”
Revelation 7:1—“…I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth….”
Revelation 20:8—“…deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth….”
Slide 15: Book of Mormon references
*1 Nephi 5:255—“…all the people which are of the house of Israel will I gather in….from the four quarters of the earth.”
*1 Nephi 7:56—“And He gathereth His children from the four quarters of the earth;”
*3 Nephi 2:107, 109—“…gather in from the four quarters of the earth all the remnant of the seed of Jacob…” “…and then shall they be gathered in from the four quarters of the earth to their own lands…”
*3 Nephi 7:29—“And then will I gather them in from the four quarters of the earth; and then will I fulfill the covenant with the Father….house of Israel.”
*Ether 6:12—“And they are they which were scattered and gathered in from the four quarters of the earth and from the North Countries. And are partakers of the fulfilling of the covenant….”
Slide 16: Doctrine & Covenants References
Section 32:2b—“…and even so will I gather mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, even as many as will believe in me, and hearken unto my voice.”
*Section 36:12f (same as Genesis 7:70 IV)—“…and righteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out my own elect from the four quarters of the earth…”
*Section 45:7b—“…and the saints shall come forth from the four quarters of the earth.”
Section 108:2c—“…The time has come when the voice of the Lord is unto you, Go ye out of Babylon; gather ye out from among the nations, from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Slide 17: Fourth Storm: Triangle
Key Scripture: Genesis 7:69 IV (Also D & C 36:12e) –”And great tribulations shall be among the children of men, but my people will I preserve; and righteousness will I send down from heaven, and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men.
Slide 18: Fourth Storm: Triangle
Key Scripture: Genesis 7:69 IV (Also D & C 36:12e) –”And great tribulations shall be among the children of men, but my people will I preserve; and righteousness will I send down from heaven, and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men.
Slide 19: Fourth Storm: Triangle--Interpretation
Key Scripture: Genesis 7:69 IV (Also D & C 36:12e) –”And great tribulations shall be among the children of men, but my people will I preserve [Zion]; and righteousness will I send down from heaven [great Endowment], and truth will I send forth out of the earth[Records], to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men.
Slide 20: Fourth Storm: Triangle Interpretation (Diagram of 4 triangles as one big triangle) : "Endowment (Righteousness from Heaven)" [upper], "Zion (Preserve My People)" [left], "Triangle Storm Interpretation" [middle], "Records (Truth out of earth)" [right]
Slide 21: Series of 4 storms-in-one: Spiral--Octagon--Square--Triangle
Slide 22: Summary of interpretation of storms dream
Spiral--Church; Temple & Priesthood & Membership
Octagon--G-8 (now G-20) Industrialized Countries; World Economy
Square--Temple Mount in Jerusalem; Restoration of Temple & Gathering
Triangle--Endowment; Zion; Records come forth
Slide 23: Thank you!
Genesis 7:70 IV---”…gather out mine own elect from the four quarters of the earth…”
See references from all 3 books of Scriptures
Slide 14: Bible (Inspired Version) References
*Genesis 7:70 * (same as D & C 36:12f)-- “…gather mine elect from the four quarters of the earth…”
Isaiah 11:12—“…gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”
Jeremiah 9:26—“…all that are in the utmost corners…”
Jeremiah 25:23—“…in the utmost corners,…”
*Jeremiah 49:36—“…upon the Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven…”
Ezekiel 38:6—“…north quarters…”
*Matthew 24:28—“…eagles be gathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.”
*Mark 13:31—“So likewise, shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.”
Revelation 7:1—“…I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth….”
Revelation 20:8—“…deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth….”
Slide 15: Book of Mormon references
*1 Nephi 5:255—“…all the people which are of the house of Israel will I gather in….from the four quarters of the earth.”
*1 Nephi 7:56—“And He gathereth His children from the four quarters of the earth;”
*3 Nephi 2:107, 109—“…gather in from the four quarters of the earth all the remnant of the seed of Jacob…” “…and then shall they be gathered in from the four quarters of the earth to their own lands…”
*3 Nephi 7:29—“And then will I gather them in from the four quarters of the earth; and then will I fulfill the covenant with the Father….house of Israel.”
*Ether 6:12—“And they are they which were scattered and gathered in from the four quarters of the earth and from the North Countries. And are partakers of the fulfilling of the covenant….”
Slide 16: Doctrine & Covenants References
Section 32:2b—“…and even so will I gather mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, even as many as will believe in me, and hearken unto my voice.”
*Section 36:12f (same as Genesis 7:70 IV)—“…and righteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out my own elect from the four quarters of the earth…”
*Section 45:7b—“…and the saints shall come forth from the four quarters of the earth.”
Section 108:2c—“…The time has come when the voice of the Lord is unto you, Go ye out of Babylon; gather ye out from among the nations, from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Slide 17: Fourth Storm: Triangle
Key Scripture: Genesis 7:69 IV (Also D & C 36:12e) –”And great tribulations shall be among the children of men, but my people will I preserve; and righteousness will I send down from heaven, and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men.
Slide 18: Fourth Storm: Triangle
Key Scripture: Genesis 7:69 IV (Also D & C 36:12e) –”And great tribulations shall be among the children of men, but my people will I preserve; and righteousness will I send down from heaven, and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men.
Slide 19: Fourth Storm: Triangle--Interpretation
Key Scripture: Genesis 7:69 IV (Also D & C 36:12e) –”And great tribulations shall be among the children of men, but my people will I preserve [Zion]; and righteousness will I send down from heaven [great Endowment], and truth will I send forth out of the earth[Records], to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men.
Slide 20: Fourth Storm: Triangle Interpretation (Diagram of 4 triangles as one big triangle) : "Endowment (Righteousness from Heaven)" [upper], "Zion (Preserve My People)" [left], "Triangle Storm Interpretation" [middle], "Records (Truth out of earth)" [right]
Slide 21: Series of 4 storms-in-one: Spiral--Octagon--Square--Triangle
Slide 22: Summary of interpretation of storms dream
Spiral--Church; Temple & Priesthood & Membership
Octagon--G-8 (now G-20) Industrialized Countries; World Economy
Square--Temple Mount in Jerusalem; Restoration of Temple & Gathering
Triangle--Endowment; Zion; Records come forth
Slide 23: Thank you!
Labels:
Dream interpretation,
End-times,
Latter Days Dream
Powerpoint presentation of Latter Days Dream Part 1
First slide: "Latter Days Dream"--Peggy J.; Interpretation help--Randall Lawrence and others
Slide 2--Disclaimer:
This dream and its interpretation is based solely on the opinions and confirmations of Randall Lawrence, Peggy J., and others.
It is seen as a warning in our opinion, but it does not represent any official position or interpretation of the Community of Christ or any other Restoration movement group.
Slide 3: Series of 4 storms-in-one: (1) Spiral (2) Octagon (3) Square (4) Triangle
Slide 4: Setting--friends sitting together
Friends-Peggy, Randall, and Dan are sitting in front of Peace Plaza looking toward Community of Christ Temple with joy while others are in a state of terror over the approach of these 4 storms-in-one
It has taken much prayer, help, and discussion for the revealing of the interpretation of this dream and the meaning of these storms
Slide 5: First storm: Spiral (picture of Temple looking east from Temple Lot/ Peace Plaza)

Slide 6: New symbol for church: spiral & cross (picture of spiral and cross with "Community of Christ")
Slide 7: Doctrine & Covenants 94:5c-f
…therefore let Zion rejoice, while all the wicked shall mourn…vengeance cometh speedily…as the whirlwind….Zion shall escape if she observe to do all things whatsoever I have commanded her….I will visit her according to all her works….
Interpretation of first storm related to church and setting the church in line with God
Slide 8: Second Storm--Octagon
Description of second storm was like an 8-sided Chinese lantern with 3 tiers that came down from the top almost like breathing
Interpretation and confirmation came when praying at the Temple steps one night: “Could the 8 sides represent the G-8 industrialized nations?”
Confirmation by the Spirit seemed to indicate this was correct. It was also around the time that the world economy (& U.S.) was in crisis (2008-2009).
Slide 9: G-8 Industrialized Countries
G8 - Group of Eight Industrialized Nations
Canada
France
Germany
Italy
Japan
Russia
United Kingdom
United States
Slide 10: Third Storm: Square (picture of Temple Mount in Jerusalem with Dome of the Rock mosque from overhead)

Slide 11: Third Storm: Square--interpretation
Friend Don and I (Randall) were visiting IHOP –KC (International House of Prayer) to take in some 24/7 prayer, praise, and worship. I shared with Don about the storms and not having the interpretation for the 3rd and 4th storms.
He asked if the square could be the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Spirit confirmed to us that this is related to Israel, the Temple (re-built), and Jerusalem
Slide 12: Square/Rectangle diagram with terms: Solomon's Temple (lower left); Temple of Zerubbabel & Joshua (upper left); Herod's Temple (upper right); Future Re-built Temple (lower right); "Jerusalem Temple" in center
To be continued....
Slide 2--Disclaimer:
This dream and its interpretation is based solely on the opinions and confirmations of Randall Lawrence, Peggy J., and others.
It is seen as a warning in our opinion, but it does not represent any official position or interpretation of the Community of Christ or any other Restoration movement group.
Slide 3: Series of 4 storms-in-one: (1) Spiral (2) Octagon (3) Square (4) Triangle
Slide 4: Setting--friends sitting together
Friends-Peggy, Randall, and Dan are sitting in front of Peace Plaza looking toward Community of Christ Temple with joy while others are in a state of terror over the approach of these 4 storms-in-one
It has taken much prayer, help, and discussion for the revealing of the interpretation of this dream and the meaning of these storms
Slide 5: First storm: Spiral (picture of Temple looking east from Temple Lot/ Peace Plaza)
Slide 6: New symbol for church: spiral & cross (picture of spiral and cross with "Community of Christ")
Slide 7: Doctrine & Covenants 94:5c-f
…therefore let Zion rejoice, while all the wicked shall mourn…vengeance cometh speedily…as the whirlwind….Zion shall escape if she observe to do all things whatsoever I have commanded her….I will visit her according to all her works….
Interpretation of first storm related to church and setting the church in line with God
Slide 8: Second Storm--Octagon
Description of second storm was like an 8-sided Chinese lantern with 3 tiers that came down from the top almost like breathing
Interpretation and confirmation came when praying at the Temple steps one night: “Could the 8 sides represent the G-8 industrialized nations?”
Confirmation by the Spirit seemed to indicate this was correct. It was also around the time that the world economy (& U.S.) was in crisis (2008-2009).
Slide 9: G-8 Industrialized Countries
G8 - Group of Eight Industrialized Nations
Canada
France
Germany
Italy
Japan
Russia
United Kingdom
United States
Slide 10: Third Storm: Square (picture of Temple Mount in Jerusalem with Dome of the Rock mosque from overhead)

Slide 11: Third Storm: Square--interpretation
Friend Don and I (Randall) were visiting IHOP –KC (International House of Prayer) to take in some 24/7 prayer, praise, and worship. I shared with Don about the storms and not having the interpretation for the 3rd and 4th storms.
He asked if the square could be the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Spirit confirmed to us that this is related to Israel, the Temple (re-built), and Jerusalem
Slide 12: Square/Rectangle diagram with terms: Solomon's Temple (lower left); Temple of Zerubbabel & Joshua (upper left); Herod's Temple (upper right); Future Re-built Temple (lower right); "Jerusalem Temple" in center
To be continued....
Labels:
Dream interpretation,
End-times,
IHOP,
Latter Days Dream,
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